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i think Lance won a gold medal at the olympics, that being said, nobody compares Usain Bolt to the last winner of Boston Marathon because it doesn't male any sense...kemp.

 

Comparing him to Hoy was a joke, come on now.. and no he hasn't won a gold at the Olympics

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i don't even know where to begin! 1st of all, as you must know, he has won more tdf victories than any other individual. obv you know he has beaten merckx many times! the tour is far more difficult and prestigious a race to compare to the giro. he actually placed well in the giro, esp when you consider that he was racing WITH A BROKEN COLLARBONE : p also, he was riding slowly in protest over safety concerns.

 

max, he did win an olympic medal back in 2000, but it was a bronze. however, it wasn't too long after his cancer recovery.

 

incidentally kemp, did you know that he used to be a triathlete before focusing on racing?

 

you can argue stats all you like but at the end of the day you cannot deny that he brings more focus and excitement to the sport of cycling than any other figure in recent history. he's a great success story considering his long painful recovery from cancer treatment and his survival despite his terrible prognosis. you cannot dispute that he inspires people and has done more to raise the profile and viewership of the sport of cycling than any other competitor. he is a household name worldwide, how many others can you say the same of?!

 

the man inspired me to get on a bike and i'm a klutz! now i am chomping at the bit to get on it every week. finally, are you aware that if he wins the tour this year he'll be the oldest rider in history to do so?

Eddy Merckx is in his 60s, so I doubt Lance has beat him

 

Lance has won 7 TDF Merckx has won 5, but Merckx has won many other things in addition while Armstrong hasn't, therfore he is not as good as Merckx

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Massive day today, this will be the first real test of Armstrong and could go a long way to deciding the overall winner.

 

He's covered every move so far, looks in good condition and his team are undeniably the strongest but the big question is would he still have their backing if he attacks Contador?

 

I'm gonna be hardcore and try to watch all of it.

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Eddy Merckx is in his 60s, so I doubt Lance has beat him

 

Lance has won 7 TDF Merckx has won 5, but Merckx has won many other things in addition while Armstrong hasn't, therfore he is not as good as Merckx

 

i'm not accepting defeat here. armstrong chooses to focus on the most difficult race rather than risk injury on the easier tours : p besides, he doesn't need to do them as practice. you know you'd be shouting his name from the rooftops if he was one of your own!

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that was quite shocking this morning, when contador pulled out that last minute attack on his own teammate, pushing him out of the top spot. i was certain armstrong had that yellow jersey today up until the end. i would hate to have been on their bus today.

 

watching the race this morning, i feel so much empathy for the riders. when you see the aerial views of the course, esp that zig zag climb today... i'm just in awe. was this the overall highest claim of the race?

 

poor cancellera icon17.gif. what rotten luck! cav was awful today as well.

 

went on an incredible ride myself today. rode along the beach in some places and it was so sunny and clear you could see the mountains so perfectly. it is amazing how many people are out riding in their yellow jerseys.

 

 

also, kemp, the more i think of it you failed to respond to most of my post : / i can only assume you have nothing to say then, ha!

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i'm not accepting defeat here. armstrong chooses to focus on the most difficult race rather than risk injury on the easier tours : p besides, he doesn't need to do them as practice. you know you'd be shouting his name from the rooftops if he was one of your own!

 

Who is to say it's the most difficult? Certainly not Lance! this is seen as Armstrong going for the race which will give him the most publicity, it's not a good thing that when there is a full calendar of races that one of the biggest stars only does one, but non-cycling fans don't hear about this and they'll continue to say he's the greatest sportsman of all time but most cycling enthusiasts wouldn't count him as the best cyclist! Don't doubt how important the other tours and classics are.

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Nah, I think he's just surprised Bradley Wiggins kept up with Armstrong's group. I hope he gets that top 20 finish he's aiming for.

 

What do you think to David Brailsford's Sky team? they'll be hoping for a TDF place soon

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Not got a clue, but I wouldn't expect them to have much success in the grand tours. Cavendish won't be joining them but Wiggins has looked great so far and Millar is still fairly handy, provided they want to ride for them. If they do get a tour spot they'll probably clean up in the time trials.

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eddy merckx is definitely the best cyclist ever

 

if he had been in his prime in an age where people are as obsessed with counting the number of titles as they are now, he'd have more than five TdF victories. In 1973 as the four-time winner he was asked not to come because planners thought he was becoming bad for the sport.

 

He won the Giro d'italia five times, three times the same year as the TdF (nobody has done that in recent history, and nobody could).

 

In the tour he won 34 stages (Lance has won 22), and Merckx also won the green jersey and the king of the mountains as well

 

so basically duh he he was the best cyclist ever

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Yup would have to say Contador, but things can change so quickly. Also the lack of mountain top stage finishes in the Pyrenees this year will keep us guessing for a while yet, but he does look strong.

 

Oh and just to counter Mercx love I'll say Hinault.

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Who is to say it's the most difficult? Certainly not Lance! this is seen as Armstrong going for the race which will give him the most publicity, it's not a good thing that when there is a full calendar of races that one of the biggest stars only does one, but non-cycling fans don't hear about this and they'll continue to say he's the greatest sportsman of all time but most cycling enthusiasts wouldn't count him as the best cyclist! Don't doubt how important the other tours and classics are.

 

from all the reading i've done the tdf is held in far higher esteem than the others. and this year is meant to be one of the most difficult tours in it's history. incidentally i've read up on merckx. in the spirit of compromise i'm willing to say that he might be one of the best cyclists of all time. however, undeniably, armstrong is the best cyclist in the history of the tdf. every commentator says so during the race coverage. i direct you to read the wiki pages on both athletes for a proper comparison and you'll see it's more even than you give armstrong credit for.

 

also, say what you like about the man but i've just read that he's not receiving any compensation for the race. he's doing it purely to raise cancer awareness and to raise the profile of the sport. i'd be interested in a ratings comparison of races including armstrong versus races without. you cannot deny that all eyes and cameras are trained on him. after 4 years off, he's sitting at 3rd and only off by 8 seconds.

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hinault is a good choice too

 

today's stage was terribly boring. astana's grind-everyone-into-the-dirt approach makes for bad television.

 

i don't know how you can call the race boring with such incredible scenery to look at. it's also interesting to find armstrong competing against so many former teammates and see how it all unfolds.

 

also interesting to see vande velde's comeback after his awful crash and this is the 1st year that armstrong and hincapie ride in the same tour while not on the same team, he was there for all of armstrong's 7 victories.

 

as for the jab as astana, i see far more aggression coming from the garmin and columbia teams. astana is just riding steadily.

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what does everyone think of contador's attack on armstrong? fair game? officially, it was not sanctioned by the team, he did it on his own. i'm with the sure, you gained a few seconds but you've divided your time so early on and shot yourself in the foot school of thought. even merckx has spoken out against it as being unsportsmanlike conduct.

 

poor cav, the commentators were saying he might be disqualified on the 1st hill day and he barely made it. that whole pack of sprinters fell so far behind those two days.

 

so far have been really impressed by astana (who comprise 4 of the top 6 riders overall), garmin, and columbia. any other teams being followed by the rest of you? also following bbox and saxo bank, esp the schleck bros.

 

incredible that they rode in 97 degree temps today : /

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from all the reading i've done the tdf is held in far higher esteem than the others. and this year is meant to be one of the most difficult tours in it's history. incidentally i've read up on merckx. in the spirit of compromise i'm willing to say that he might be one of the best cyclists of all time. however, undeniably, armstrong is the best cyclist in the history of the tdf. every commentator says so during the race coverage. i direct you to read the wiki pages on both athletes for a proper comparison and you'll see it's more even than you give armstrong credit for.

 

also, say what you like about the man but i've just read that he's not receiving any compensation for the race. he's doing it purely to raise cancer awareness and to raise the profile of the sport. i'd be interested in a ratings comparison of races including armstrong versus races without. you cannot deny that all eyes and cameras are trained on him. after 4 years off, he's sitting at 3rd and only off by 8 seconds.

 

Of course he's the best in the TDF because he's won it the most times, but the best cyclist overall? Not unless he wins some Giros, Vueltas and monuments.

 

I'm not anti-Lance Armstrong, I think he's inspiring and i'm reading his book at the moment. I'm British, we're not famous for our road cyclists so i'm pretty much unbiased.

 

There seems to be two types of cycling fans, which are cycling fans and Lance Armstrong fans

 

I don't understand how you have compared the two on Wikipedia and still think Armstrong is better than Merkx. Do you really think two TDF wins are better than 5 Giros, 1 Vuelta and 19 monuments?! Merkx is so obviously to me the better all round cyclist.

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Of course he's the best in the TDF because he's won it the most times, but the best cyclist overall? Not unless he wins some Giros, Vueltas and monuments.

 

I'm not anti-Lance Armstrong, I think he's inspiring and i'm reading his book at the moment. I'm British, we're not famous for our road cyclists so i'm pretty much unbiased.

 

There seems to be two types of cycling fans, which are cycling fans and Lance Armstrong fans

 

I don't understand how you have compared the two on Wikipedia and still think Armstrong is better than Merkx. Do you really think two TDF wins are better than 5 Giros, 1 Vuelta and 19 monuments?! Merkx is so obviously to me the better all round cyclist.

 

no, he's the best at the tdf because he focuses all of his energy on the one race. and i am sure you are well aware that he raced in the vuelta this year, tis where he broke his collarbone. he then raced in the giro while barely recovered and yet still managed to pace 3rd.

 

i continue to maintain that if he were a british rider you'd be playing a different tune. the good thing is that when he rides, 50% of his motivation is to prove his detractors wrong so keep it up, kemp. also, i disagree, britain has some good riders, look at cav, wiggins and millar.

 

but armstrong and merckx are different riders from different eras, too difficult to truly compare the two. to his credit, armstrong is very gracious in giving credit to merckx's achievements. i was merely pointing out that if you read the wiki pages of the achievements of both men, lance's is 4x as long. have a look.

 

finally, i disagree about the types of fans, at least in my case. i was always a fan of le monde growing up and stopped watching cycling nearly altogether after he retired. when armstrong became a big deal i wanted NOT to like him but i couldn't help but become a fan. the man's got class.

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no, he's the best at the tdf because he focuses all of his energy on the one race. and i am sure you are well aware that he raced in the vuelta this year, tis where he broke his collarbone. he then raced in the giro while barely recovered and yet still managed to pace 3rd.

 

i continue to maintain that if he were a british rider you'd be playing a different tune. the good thing is that when he rides, 50% of his motivation is to prove his detractors wrong so keep it up, kemp. also, i disagree, britain has some good riders, look at cav, wiggins and millar.

 

but armstrong and merckx are different riders from different eras, too difficult to truly compare the two. to his credit, armstrong is very gracious in giving credit to merckx's achievements. i was merely pointing out that if you read the wiki pages of the achievements of both men, lance's is 4x as long. have a look.

 

finally, i disagree about the types of fans, at least in my case. i was always a fan of le monde growing up and stopped watching cycling nearly altogether after he retired. when armstrong became a big deal i wanted NOT to like him but i couldn't help but become a fan. the man's got class.

 

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no, he's the best at the tdf because he focuses all of his energy on the one race. and i am sure you are well aware that he raced in the vuelta this year, tis where he broke his collarbone. he then raced in the giro while barely recovered and yet still managed to pace 3rd.

 

armstrong and merckx are different riders from different eras, too difficult to truly compare the two. to his credit, armstrong is very gracious in giving credit to merckx's achievements. i was merely pointing out that if you read the wiki pages of the achievements of both men, lance's is 4x as long. have a look.

 

finally, i disagree about the types of fans, at least in my case. i was always a fan of le monde growing up and stopped watching cycling nearly altogether after he retired. when armstrong became a big deal i wanted NOT to like him but i couldn't help but become a fan. the man's got class.

 

you see, merckx was a great rider because he rode all year round and tried his best to win everything, not just to save up his strength for one race. so yes, Lance is the best at the TdF, but because he is a TdF specialist. Lance is still a great rider, one of the best of all time. also, the vuelta a espana hasn't happened this year, he broke his collarbone in la vuelta a castilla y leon (a less important race). He almost certainly will not race in the real vuelta, which he hasn't raced since 1998.

 

of course it's a historical argument. we still call babe ruth or ted williams the greatest baseball players, but who knows if they would stand up to modern pitchers. every player is a product of their times; that doesn't prevent us from speaking about achievements.

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what does everyone think of contador's attack on armstrong? fair game? officially, it was not sanctioned by the team, he did it on his own. i'm with the sure, you gained a few seconds but you've divided your time so early on and shot yourself in the foot school of thought. even merckx has spoken out against it as being unsportsmanlike conduct.

 

so far have been really impressed by astana (who comprise 4 of the top 6 riders overall), garmin, and columbia. any other teams being followed by the rest of you? also following bbox and saxo bank, esp the schleck bros.

 

incredible that they rode in 97 degree temps today : /

 

my take on the contador/armstrong thing is that they clearly shouldn't be racing on the same team. they know that they're the top 2 contenders and are going to have to fight it out eventually, so it's ultimately hard for someone like contador to pretend that he doesn't really need to make up time on armstrong. it would be like jan ullrich being on the same team as lance in 2001, i.e. a disaster.

 

it may be bad for contador in the team (we'll see), but if astana keeps riding so unagressively, it won't matter. contador isn't in danger of getting dropped by any of the current paces. anyway, i sort of sympathize with contador. he's taking a lot of shit for this when the fact of the matter is that the person he needs to beat at the end of the day is lance. also some drama on the road is vastly preferable to this everlasting media barrage of the "inner astana turmoil."

 

it really seems like a two man race. i would like to see andy schleck put on some pressure, but he (and nobody else) really looks that strong, frankly.

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