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  1. the us vs. them that I see are fans who don't want to post in this forum vs. fans who are fine using it.


    we're talking about a very logical rule: a certain type of art belongs here, and that's the purpose for having this forum. now we're looking at a possible exception to this rule, and I don't see any reason for it. I can see a case for someone posting chrisflew's music in OM, for example, because he's actually gone. Cab isn't.


    as for Danny, he's about as close as a fan here gets to being actually local to the band instead of just local to the website. This isn't someone who likes a band who happens to post here, and happened to post his music here. A really great counter example are all the friends of bands who come here and go to this forum to plug their friend's band. On their judgment, they pick this forum. Because it makes the most sense! And they don't try to set themselves apart from YA.


    Freedom, division, special treatment...


    how about we just say, YA art belongs in YA? And if a YA artist really turns his or her back on this place, really disowns us, never gives us anymore of the art before other outlets get it first, never drops in and gives us direct news on the art (we don't get that in other forums, do we?), then sure, they're not classified as YA art anymore and we'll discuss their art in their absence in the right forums outside of here. But let's just be direct and admit this deciding factor: Cab is still here.


    now let's not give anyone special treatment.

  2. I don't think there's much difference in the artist wanting to leave YA and the fans wanting to do that for them.


    I can come up with an easy definition of YA art, for both fans and artists: any art you would not have found on your own if it weren't for the fact the art was posted here, whether you saw it directly or another MTer linked you to it, or any art that you had something to do with making. With this definition comes: YA art belongs in YA.


    In both nordheim and cab's cases, would we have their art or know about their art if they had not posted it here at some time? No. It would make some difference with me if the artist definitely looked like they were gone for good. I think it would be fair game to post in OM if someone found chrisflew's music because of its wide circulation and attention out there, and not because he gave it to Irene or someone to deliver it to us. Even so, it would be something of a shame if us YA fans missed getting a nice blast from the past because we check YA more than OM (definitely true for me).


    YA would be dead if it weren't for the fact that we also have fans (or just critics) around to discuss the art. So, why take some of those discussions away from here, from us? To forums that we don't frequent as often? Why not bring up nordheim's art in the Longest thread here, the Checking Out at the Moment thread, or just a thread you start in the forum where his art is, to catch his attention or further comment on his art to the nice crowd of critics and fans we've developed here? Or bump one of his threads here. What's the point in bringing the discussion to the Arts Forum, where the artist himself might miss it? Why try to claim that much ownership over where his (or her?) art is circulated here, when he's the one who brought it to us in the first place?


    Eh, it just steals from all the often thankless work we do being critics, commentators, and fans here. Doing things unasked, like soliciting YA music to play on radioshows? Where else could RelyingOnYourVote's thread belong?


    And honestly, there's only so much self-promotion you want to do. You want to introduce your art, see if you hook some fans, and then know you've got your audience and you don't have to plug your next piece like you're looking for a favor when someone replies. This forum would be an ugly place if fandom wasn't a part of it. Let's not chop that up.

  3. cab doesnt even post here anymore :icon_cry:


    i dont care though which section its in.i just think pennys response is funny


    cindy thats a scary thought :(

    he's been back since the summer. and posting in this thread.

  4. I was hoping this wouldn't be a discussion. I don't see anyone's opinion being swayed too much one way or the other.


    But a boundary needs to be set because we need a system of dividing Your Art bands who stay in YA and the ones who get to graduate to OM. My preferred system is: don't divide them at all. It's the clearest boundary. It's the fairest. It's the most supportive of other musicians here. And it's the most obvious boundary when the musician still posts here.


    Usually when a band gets big, there's still the hometown pride, right? So even if we try to make an impossibly subjective cutoff point for when a musician here gets big, why would getting away from where they started posting their music be some sort of reward or rite of passage?


    Cab already stated he doesn't give a shit, so let's just look at the relationship of fans to your art music. Your Art requires fans to exist as a forum at all. Without them it would be thousands of threads with 0 replies. So this isn't a question of self-promotion, it's a question of, again, coming up with that subjective cutoff point so we can let the fans leave Your Art.


    Here's what I'd recommend. Your Art has some incredible music, a good deal of it. And it can make up a significant part of what you listen to. OM is pretty much about sharing what you listen to, and your opinions. So I'd say, yeah, circulate YA music around OM. Add them to your annual top albums list. If they have youtube videos, post that in the Song You're Feeling youtube thread. Or the Longest thread, the all-purpose gigs thread, etc. etc. etc. Maybe even make a thread that's something like, "OMers who listen to YA music, but don't seem to talk about it with other OMers so here's our OM thread to talk about YA music in general" and that might even channel traffic over to YA. But, eh, I don't think that thread would be too necessary.


    The point would be: you don't have to hide or discount the YA part of your music when you're discussing what you listen to as a whole in a different forum existing for that purpose. But if we're strictly focusing on a single YA band, our thoughts on them, experiences, getting the new album, seeing them live, why do you want to divide yourself from other YA fans talking about other YA bands?



    And that hometown thing. If a musician here gets enough attention that a poster on another message board hears about them from a chance show or pitchfork or something like that, let those message boards put their threads in their OM forums. But here, let's be really happy that a YA band is getting that much attention, but also have enough pride in YA to know that's where they started (or one of the places where they started). We got to hear them first. One of the band members (most likely the main one) still posts here and we get the inside stories. So uh, yeah. Let's stick together. C'mon.

  5. sorry for the slow response. it's been ages since I've reviewed anything here. or at least anything long at all. unemployed vs. employed makes a huge difference when it comes to an online social life.


    but let's get to it. first, name change? Empire Machines isn't bad. Maybe a little cold. but it works. Now, the site feels so official. Don't like that on instinct. Feels like there's a lot of money behind you, men in suits sort of thing. Mailing list? So what's the planning behind that? I definitely respect someone with the time and energy (and money, yeah) to make something more serious, fulfill potential. There's always the risk of going too far with it and losing something essential, but I don't think that's happened here. It just makes me curious what your goal is. Largely because my goal is so so low, and it's a relieving thing for me. I remember you getting some amazingly good pay for a gig. I do envy that. Of course, there would pressure to fulfill such a price.


    On to the music. It comes close to embellishment, but really I think this is more about hearing what you hear in your head and having the ability to get all of that out. Plenty of films and music etc. have to skimp on what they can't deliver because of a budget, time, whatever. I say close, but not embellished. Very nice, really.


    Never Enough - drums are a little too perfect here, to go against what I was saying earlier. But the keyboard is a huge payoff to this hi-fi. Love it. Vocal snippet at 1:17ish, and other similar touches, is great. That took a lot of time to get all of this in, yeah? Tweaking. Guitar riffage and vocal break at 3:00ish is great. Niiice drum buildup there. No more too perfect reaction. Song doesn't get me emotionally though. That's maybe the biggest problem for me, and it's not too big. Just I suppose the marker, limit for how much I can get out of the songs no matter how much they've reached potential. There's at least one lyric that gets me though, coming up.


    Sweet Teeth - Acoustic guitar and bass make for a great combo at 1:30~, oh, and the backup vocals get that hits-at-once sound. The "hey, ey ey"s are one of the top standouts on the EP for me. Great there. Ah, lyrics I think are the hardest part, and I've got to say I wish there were more lines that got me at the gut. Lyrics here are casual, the cadence, it's like, you can't question it because it sounds so natural, which means the words sneak by. Run and hide is great musically, but lyrically doesn't reach me. But hey, it's Muse-esque and I can't say Muse does anything wrong for what they do. Motif riff at 1:24 is good. Angular. That sort of not-lazy Modest Mouse approach to guitar. And those guitar bits on the side make it great. Heavy blunt crunch into phaser-like thing. Very nice. Shift at 2:40~, very very nice there.


    Dog Eat Dog - Muse thing again. Interesting since we're looking at two different songwriters with this and Sweet Teeth. Hahaha, the way you sing 'bitch' the first time is great, as much as it's a turn-off to hear that word unless it's well-justified. But it's great that first time, because I hear a comical edge. Instrumental lead to 1:53, when the vocals start up again, = appreciation for that interlude not being boring/filler. Made good use. Ending's good. Soft ending again. Sweet Teeth's ending was a tiny bit hammed up, not this one though.


    Panda Thief - a bit of an obligatory experimental track. And a little non-committed to the concept because past the weirder opening, it sounds more like just a section to a song where the other sections are missing. I feel like the right channel guitar for example, can be heard at 1:54 and throughout, should be doing something more to dominate the song on such an interlude song. Less jammage and tracks sticking to their corners of the studio, and more dominance is what I'd like. But it's still good for what it decides to do. That lurch in the keyboard at the end, cool.


    Burning Ties - probably my favorite. Hard to say because there's stiff competition in terms of the hi-fi, this thing you've carefully crafted and packed full, and it's the strong suit of this EP, vs. the fact that this song has that lyric that actually gets to me, "burning ties is not a crime". Resonates with me. Because fuck, I have plenty of ties I've burnt and ties I've wanted to burn, but it's an action that you can easily let define who you are. Either way you choose, really. Groove at 2:40~ I've always been a fan of. The abrupt end here is the only one that's noticeable as abrupt. Makes me question whether it's too abrupt, unlike my reactions to the other songs. Could be just fine with it on further listens. Definitely hearing a Radiohead snippet in that metallic caterwauling of guitar. Lemme see if I can find it...


    well, i guess I was hearing some mix of Pull/Pulk and Electioneering's outros, where Burning Ties' ending would have fit.


    well, that was quite a positive review I think.

  6. Photo11251432-1.jpg


    nothing at all artful in capturing this (average intelligence cell phone), but I like that I managed to get it before being rushed out of the parking lot. there's something artful in capturing a sight at all, right?






    the pictures in here are always amazing. overwhelming.

  7. :paranoid_

    watch out. i throw underwear.



    any shoegaze song you'd recommend i learn in the eventualité of a cover open mic duet?






    good question, cool person.


    hey wait, do you want to tell me your open mic history up to the present? cause I'd love to read that.

  8. teehee - i've been doing some recording, like actual shit recording

    so the plan is to record tracks and find instrumental parts and mix em, see what sounds groovy and whatnot - sound groovy

    then once i can afford a good mic i'll do it all nice and clean and might even call it an album


    yes zach. you heard me :) a nalbum

    with bells and whistles, a little book, i'll send it to you in the mail, then i'll plan a road trip to Cali and we'll go to an open mic. maybe before. the fans will love it.


  9. hey kaf, do you think it would be possible for us visual artists to be able to participate in these comps in some way? for example, vis artists could submit artwork that could be used for the compilation packaging. i know sometimes we've done things where theres like a competition to do the cover, but i was thinking it could also work to have an accompanying book with artwork by multiple talented mt artists, and include the lyrics and information too. i don't know how it would all work, but just something i'm throwing out there.

    oh definitely! An idea for a book doesn't immediately come to mind (though it seems entirely possible), but this did immediately come to mind:


    we could steal a page from Ruby Smooch and have all the songs as clickable pictures. Photographs, drawings. Match up song and artist by randomness or some form of selection. The artist would receive the song first, and then create the visual. (or vice versa, but that wouldn't be as practical?)


    We could also make videos. I don't think we'd have enough directors out there (and man, that would be a huge project, wouldn't it?) so we could just upload to youtube or vimeo and have the images change along with the songs. Like album covers. Singles covers.

  10. Yes! A compilation now sounds lovely.


    i did a botb compilation thread and literally noone downloaded it.

    damn, that's depressing. the first round download is always a compilation of sorts. so, it's never that the music goes by un-owned. but it looks like you sequenced the compilation? sequencing is always a careful art. and maybe asked for us to send in our pick? going to download now.



    update - Side B was right, but Side A only has 8 of the songs it should, 4 repeats from Side B, and two extra songs from posters on Side B :L I know this is like the last thing you want to know in life ever, but.


    Man, we had good songs that year. Still this year.

  11. Hey all of youse! When you post something for me to add to the directory, please follow the format! Or else I have to format it myself. For free. Like a schmuck. The first post of this thread tells you how write up your shit correctly for me.


    I apologize for being a bastard and waiting forever to check on this thread.



    finally did this thing

    gotcha, Will. but for future reference, soundclouds etc. should be just a clickable link that says, 'soundcloud' etc.




    Carlos Bandana - Northern Push

    added, and same comment about 'bandcamp' etc. for you, hail.


    http://www.myspace.com/theroyal27s is the link for r27





    Interfantastic (2011)

    chill wave/prog&b

    added. almost perfect formatting there. thanks.


    Toxic, I'm guessing you didn't read much of the first post? You can see what I was able to add for your entry. If you could post more information than just the links, I can get rid of those question marks. But follow the formatting too.


    updated my thing, kaf.




    babydoctor (Monologue)


    IDMLOL EP (2009)

    The Passerby [RPM Challenge Demo] (2009)

    Heliocentric Blues/Devil Sun (2011)

    self-indulgent solo project: IDM, ambient, minimalism, with some jazz

    (Soul Hole)


    Lavish (2007)

    stoner jazz/folk metal

    A+ for you, cris. nice cover art.

  12. as seen in Ideoteque live, he's playing guitar soundlessly, and very precisely, and later unleashes that crazy noise you always hear in Ideoteque. This is most notable in the SNL performance.


    so my guess is that the original noise is guitar generated, then mutated who knows how through pedals, and unleashed at that point. also yes, I've always thought Ed should do a pedals lesson DVD or something.

  13. I love that second song. I'm curious what the lyrics are, because I get that one stuck in my head a lot, which is a good accomplishment for a song with entirely slurred lyrics. kind of your style, right? signature thing? I'm a fan.


    good contrast in these two songs, also. first one's nice and well thought-out, a difficult to play piece. and you can tell that more clearly with the performance. it's a fuckin' stretch on the fingers with that classical guitar, isn't it? sucks that youtube clipped you off early on that one. and then the second one is the easier, catchier one. yep. good times.


    nice to see the songs hold up on their own live. have you performed solo much? I'd love to see something like this at the open mic I go to.

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