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woah that dress on the top is really cool, i love like the angle of the zippers

I think we need a full investigation into this issue! Audit the fums

I love paranormal stuff even though there's usually a pretty reasonable explanation. Here's a fave https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1561_celestial_phenomenon_over_Nuremberg

at least for me, this seems to be caused by gifs. when i go to "new content", if one of the most recent posters on a thread has an animated avatar then it causes the white blocks problem. but if there are no gifs everything works fine. so my solution is that i click on all the threads which have gif avatar people as most recent posters. then when i go back to new content, there are no more gifs and everything looks fine.

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i went to a potluck to celebrate the 10th anniversary. there was a fire, and also i saw a cat.

earth didn't have a drummer but now they do. sunn o))) doesn't have a drummer

i dont write music but when i write poems i usually just get some paper and make myself start writing random phrases that pop into my head. i cross out a lot of things that are stupid. but eventually i'm able to write a few word in a row that sound good.

tbh i cant decide whether that poem works better in a monospace font or not

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remember when archimedes invented the fire death ray. great guy. also secretly invented calculus pretty much.

great series

they both have the function of going into the liquid and then coming out of the liquid a bit later.

i cant tell from the british versions of those things but i think fishing weights are smaller than those corn ball cereals!!!!!!! but fishing weights come in many sizes and i dont know anything about them. the two go together very well though, since they both have basically the same function.

i think we're basically saying the same thing i'm just phrasing it as "we understand and interpret our experiences through language in some way" and you're saying that languages and experiences are so tangled up in each other that it's hard to understand one without the other. also, given that anything i know of which has experiences also has some type of language, and it's hard for me to imagine something which has experiences but doesn't have language, that's more evidence that they're pretty tough to distinguish. i dont think i need to make sense of what experience is to say that animals have experiences. if "having experiences" makes sense at all, then humans have experiences, and if i think humans can have experiences, then it seems to me that animals do too, because all the reasons i know for thinking that humans have experiences apply just as well to animals. this is of course about as anthropocentric as it gets, but i suppose i can only understand anything by comparing it to myself. basically my same old argument of "i don't know if X exists or applies to humans, but everyone sure acts like it does, and i don't know of any reason why X would apply to humans and not other mammals", i guess. though, of course, things can apply to different degrees, so maybe all this talking in absolutes is complete nonsense.

i didn't say that you spend all day thinking about words. i said that you spend all day thinking words. your thoughts are often words, your communication is filled with words. so much of understanding of things is understood in terms of words. when you're swimming in a sea of words it's easy to forget that's not the only way to understand and interpret the world and shit. as for distinguishing between language and experience: there are lots of fuzzy cases but there are lots of clear cut cases. if i am walking along and fall down and scratch myself up then i just had an experience that didn't have any language involved. at least, not in the way that most people understand language. if you want to start using language to mean basically anything, on the grounds that all events transfer information in some way, then ok, but that's not how much people use the word language, and when it's used that way it's basically meaningless. so i don't think that's good. also, of course animals experience things. if you don't believe that then why don't you torture animals? plus the fact that they behave as though they experience things, and they are anatomically/neurologically similar to us. so i don't really see how you can doubt it, unless you also believe that other humans don't have experiences, in which case there is no hope for you. but maybe i am misunderstanding some things you're saying. anyway as long as we agree animals can be deceptive i'm fine.

this doesn't seem obvious to me. it's not easy to make a perfect distinction between them but i can still make some distinctions. the part where you said "in the context of human life" -- that's perspective. words seem less abstract if you spend all day thinking them and reading them and stuff. anyway if you can't distinguish between language and experience then your definition of deception can't require the use of language!

roff she probably said that in german. austrian isn't a language! yeah humans feel very at home in our way of communicating. the vague thing that we think of as language. when talking about other animals its good to remember this bias of ours. and that's why we shouldn't come up with these anthropocentric definitions of deceive. they don't even make sense because: it's pretty impossible to make a good hard definition of "symbolic language" or "language" that includes all the human stuff but none of the normal animal behaviors that communicate information. so then it's going to be pretty hard to come up with a definition of deceive that requires the definition to be done via human language. without outright saying that it has to be done via human language, which is, you know, a bad definition that doesn't line up with what we actually think about when we think about deception. as for words being abstract: words are very abstract, but it is the human bias that makes words seem concrete. it's because we do everything in words, and it becomes difficult to separate a word from the thing it means. but of course words are abstract. though perhaps abstract-ness is more a point of view than any kind of objective things, i'm not too sure. it's hard for me to really nail down what it means. in any case, the type of thinking that humans are very accustomed to, isn't the only way of going about things, and when we ask questions about animals, we should ask them in a way that doesn't assume the human way of doing thing is the only way to do things. basically, as usual, i think that a lot of distinctions that people try to make don't really make sense.

i didnt invent this language but i'm deceiving people in it all the time! (passive) camouflage is different because the animal made no choice in it. the camouflage just evolved. active camouflage (like in the mimic octopus) is a different matter. anyway pretending to hide nuts is deceptive language, because a big way animals (including humans) communicate is via their actions. if your complaint is that it's not symbolic language, then that's silly. symbolic language isn't the end-all be-all of language, we just think that as humans some time because we think that very abstract things are always great. in fact sometimes poetry manages to communicate things that aren't abstract and symbolic despite being constrained by the fact that it's written down in words. and that's usually pretty good poetry. the fact that words are a pretty bad medium for certain thoughts/ideas/experiences, is what makes a lot of poetry so amazing!

though i guess your point is that nothing true is allowed to be posted, so that post would be fine!

http://www.nwf.org/news-and-magazines/national-wildlife/animals/archives/2008/science-sleuths-how-squirrels-hide-nuts.aspx i heard another thing about how they do this "deceptive caching" more when they know they're being watched. and of course, this famous conversation between a chimpanzee lucy and some human

that website is great. i don't think i've listened to everything on there, but my favorite one on there is "Of course, we must die. How else will the world be rid of the old telephone numbers we cannot forget. The numbers it would be foolish– utterly useless— to call." he reads it so good

arrows at the top of an arc pausing before their death

bales of hay dancing in their wind "faster now, you lazy beasts!" the farmer shouts at them and in response they

the snowman tried to cry but his tears refused to let him